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Post by chicken on May 19, 2014 14:00:50 GMT -5
Well, as you can see with the previous two entries, you guys are in for some choice words. I've been in the jury to see everyone come in and join me, and let me tell ya, a lot of them aren't happy. You're about to ripped new assholes in places assholes were never meant to be ripped. Thus goes the process of the final tribal council. Lucky for you guys though, I never really got the opportunity to play with you, so I don't have as much to be mad about as these fellas. That also means though, that I have little to nothing to base my vote on. With that in mind, i'm easily the most malleable member of this jury. My vote is completely up in the air, and it will go to the person who not only answers my question the best, but everyone elses, so answer carefully >  First off, I would like everyone to describe to me what they did to get to this point. You were all extremely vague in your opening statements, so for someone who hasn't played with you guys for a majority of this game, it's very tough for me to cast a vote not knowing what any of you did to get here. You can be as detailed as you wish, but I just want to know what moves/strategies/alliances/what have you got you here today. LJ, and Sherea, I don't have a question directed only at you guys. LJ, we talked like once, so I don't know hardly anything about how you played the game, and Sherea, we talked a few times, and I liked how you didn't play bullshit with me. That being said, I don't know much about your game either, so i'd just advise both you guys to be as detailed as possible with my first question. Mikayla. Oh how the tables have turned. It wasn't long ago I was answering your jury question trying to convince you to give me your vote. Unlike my fellow jury-members, I'll acknowledge your choice to not return as Monica, and instead create this whole new identity, because I do think that was a great decision on your part. Like you said, the monsters were all targeted early, so good call there. Of all the people on the old Napaco tribe, I felt I was the closest with you. Which is why I felt a little betrayed when you wouldn't even acknowledge me during the vote I went home. My question for you, is when you told me during the vote Yve went home, that you would be willing to flip on your alliance come merge, was that a lie, or were you telling the truth? My final question for all of you, is what was the thought process in voting me out at the double tribal? I approached most of you asking what I could do to get me out of that jam, but none of you even gave me the time of day. Was there any way I could've talked my way out of that one, or was my fate sealed? Good luck guys, it's been DAYUM fun playing with y'all. |
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Post by chicken on May 19, 2014 20:27:03 GMT -5
Change of plans. After reading your response to Malcolm's question, I have one for you now, LJ. Do you think self-voting an admirable thing to do in this game? I was willing to accept it if you said you weren't able to get online to post it or something along those lines, but the fact that you did it just to keep people from getting pissed at you seems like a really cowardly way to get out of that situation.
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Post by LJ McKanas on May 19, 2014 21:49:57 GMT -5
I don't think it was cowardly at all Chicken. Cowardly would be to disappear when game moves happened round after round after round (Sherea, Mikayla). I think even in that round, where I self voted I was more around and more concerned about the vote than those two girls. I talked to Phillip about the vote for a long time. I also talked to Morgan about the vote. I told Morgan if there's any possibility of you using or getting an idol, please do! And even though I was certain Morgan had an idol (because she was the only one with a prize left, and I was sure one of the auction's prizes was an idol) I never talked to Phillip or any of the other two girls about it because I knew for sure I wanted Phillip gone. My vote wasn't going to change a thing, unless I wanted it to do so. I still think I maneuvered around it a whole lot and did what was best for me. It is another side of a strategy you can consider and if that helped me in anyway to get to the end and not piss Sherea or Mikayla (or Morgan) off I think it was an admirable and an amazing way to turn the game upside down when I thought I was done.
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Post by LJ McKanas on May 19, 2014 22:11:22 GMT -5
Apart from the moves I already described on Malcolm's post I would like to describe some others I didn't get the chance to talk about.
1. When I went to the hidden monster, I knew some people were ahead of me. I asked the host if I could share my information with other people so that I could get a chance to figure more answers with the help of them. THIS IS SOMETHING NOBODY KNOWS. That round, I made my strongest alliance in the game with Jeremiah. I knew he was trustworthy and I knew he wasn't that into the game like Malcolm or Allie. That way, I would give him some wrong answers and make him find out what I was missing. He couldn't win because he didn't had the right combination. That's how I got the idol. I was also sharing some information with Allie. When I got them all right I decided to share the answers with Allie just in case someone like Bob or Brice were close. I wanted Allie to have the idol too because I trusted her and I really thought she was honest and loyal to me.
2. When Penner won immunity I told him to pick me to go to the other tribe and I also told him I would help him with the idol (despite knowing I already had one and Allie had the other one). He picked me and this forged my trust with him. Bob and Penner worked together to get the idol and got all the answers correct pretty quickly. They soon discovered someone from Sibiu had the idol already and told me our only chance was if I got the idol for our tribe. I lied to them and told them I got it. This helped me create an unbreakable alliance with them. No matter how big of a target I was, I was their only chance at survival in the merge because they were down with numbers.
3. All this information was revealed to Malcolm, Sherea, Jeremiah and Allie. The four people I really thought were my allies. At the time of choosing, I had to go with my first alliance, especially because of all the talk of Penner and Bob being pre-game and because they were strong social and challenge-wise competitors. I never trusted them 100%. Had I not made this deals with them, they could've found out we had an idol and try to get our original alliance out in some way or another. Thinking the idol was theirs they didn't scramble as much as they thought I would be using it for them.
4. When the auction turned everything upside down and then we were divided into two groups I had to change everything. I knew Malcolm and Sherea didn't trusted me that much, I knew Malcolm was with Phillip too and I knew Sherea was talking whatever about everyone all around. That made me go back to my two principal babies Jeremiah and Allie. We needed a fourth person to stay with us and Morgan made sense. It was a win-win situation for all of us because we all had ties with all of us. My plan was to vote out Sherea (because Jeremiah, Allie and Morgan) were together in a group against her) and then vote out Malcolm (because Phillip was still a bigger target than me and he could help me sneak into F4). At the end only half of this plan worked because Morgan went with Sherea. This was the first thing that didn't went my way in the game. Morgan was great. I still think she made a mistake, but it seemed good for her game at the time, to do that.
5. When we were at final 6 the girls seemed to be very comfortable despite having done much at the game. I offered Phillip a F3 deal with Jeremiah which I legitimately was willing to make. I think Phillip's monster status was a huge target but I still think I could've beaten him at the end because his game had to be a lot of UTR given his status. He still played a better game than Mikayla and Sherea though. And I was so tired of people UTR moving alone that I decided if he sticked with me I would've take him. However, Phillip trusted his pre-game alliance and voted Jeremiah out. That was his mistake because had he kept Jeremiah we would've voted Sherea out next round and there was a possibility he could be sitting here. That was the second time the game didn't went my way. Although it shows how much I try for it to go my way.
6. Even though I thought I was going home at F4. It made no sense to bring me to the end after everything I did. I fought my ass off and convinced Mikayla to bring me here. Her reasons "you deserve it more than Morgan" and "You've fought for it much more". Whatever reasons they were, had I not fought like I did and talked like I talk I wouldn't be here.
7. I had to stay up for two different challenges, despite other compromises to win the challenges I won. They were the challenges I really needed to win to stay and I did everything that was in my power to win them. Outplay at its best.
8. My social game was on point. I made alliances with everyone at around round 2 and even though I was manipulating so many outcomes, this only came out at F8 when they had to because I decided to cut ties with Malcolm. I think my social game was on point for the rest of the competition. In the rock challenge, I received no rocks because everyone thought I was with them. When Morgan hit me, I easily got help from my friends to defeat her. When we had to rank our tribes I was rank 2nd (I think). This also helped me because I got to be leader the most (around 4 or 5 times) and this got me to forge relationships with the other tribe as well as mine. I also won immunity the most, I think it was seven times counting Napaco.
From wherever you look at it I deserve to win. I hope you give me your vote. Thanks.
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Post by LJ McKanas on May 19, 2014 22:17:01 GMT -5
At the point where you went home it was clear that we had to break up Bob-Penner-Chicken alliance. Bob couldn't be voted for and we still had some faith in Penner because he was with us at the beginning and because the idol alliance I had with him from before. That way you were the wiser person to vote off.
However I think if you made a case of Penner being more dangerous than you, show some conversations where he backstabbed us or even fight hard enough to show how Phillip was slipping by time after time after time, I think I would have at least considered keeping you and voting someone else out. You had an UTR game so far that would've made you seem like a less of a threat than Penner or Phillip, but at the end it seemed like the best thing to do at the time.
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Post by chicken on May 19, 2014 22:45:47 GMT -5
I tried coming to you guys on the day I was voted out, but everyone was either not online or not responding to me. I wanted to fight, but wasn't given the chance.
Regardless, thank you for your answers. You're definitely giving me a lot to think about.
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Post by chicken on May 20, 2014 22:33:36 GMT -5
Mikayla, Sherea, i'm leaving for a music festival on Thursday, so I suggest if you want a chance of gettin' my vote, you answer my question either today or tomorrow, cuz I wanna cast my vote before I leave
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Post by mikayla on May 21, 2014 18:51:34 GMT -5
Sorry for the delay, Chicken. I've been hit by a nasty throat infection, so I've been in and out of the doctor's office trying to get it cleared up. I'll try and give you an answer tonight.
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Post by Sherea Lloyd on May 21, 2014 23:27:36 GMT -5
Chicken, I apologize for not responding to you sooner. I am currently working 60-80+ hour weeks so it is hard to type out a detailed response.
As I've mentioned in the past, my game was not one of huge moves, blindsides, or power plays. For me, it was important to make sure I was maintaining relationships and keeping my options open. I began the game with an alliance of myself, Jeremiah, LJ, and Malcolm. However, I was aware from nearly the beginning that LJ was making several alliances elsewhere, and that he and Jeremiah were constantly being shifty and unsure. Therefore, I kept my options open. I also had an alliance with Phillip, Mikayla, and Malcolm, was in cahoots with Morgan at times, had chatted with Penner about an alliance, and kept my options open in regards to you and Bob, had a move become available. Having several alliances that I felt truly trusted me benefited me in the sense that I was being provided information from all sides. Thus, there was no sense in me making "big moves". I was able to feed my alliances information they needed in order to progress through the game. When one alliance found out that I was working with others, I would tell them I was just blowing smoke up their ass to keep them happy. For instance, Bob told others of my chats with him about LJ. I was more than confident that Bob would spill these beans to save his ass, and I do not blame him for that at all. I informed my other alliance that I was just telling Bob this to calm him down so he didn't make any power play that round. I also was trying to rile LJ up in order to get him to become paranoid and play his idol. When I found out Jeremiah and LJ were working with Allie, I fought to get her out and eventually called Jeremiah and LJ out for defending her for the same reason. I also confronted Jeremiah about telling Phillip he didn't like me to cause paranoia there as well. So, I guess you could call my strategy something like "shit stirring". I wanted to stir the pot to make other feel paranoid and uncomfortable with their positions, putting targets on others, and taking everyone's eyes off of me.
I know that resting in the shadows and laying low is not always considered an "honorable" game, but hell it got me to this point and beating 17 other people is pretty damn honorable. I'm not ashamed of the game that I played. If I had wanted to make big moves and cause big rifts, I would have done so. But I didn't, and now I sit here in the Final 3 in front of all of you all. If I had made these "big moves" that everyone suggests are so deserving of a win, I would have risked placing a target on my back and would not have made it to the finals.
When it comes to voting you out, it was a combination of the fact that I knew you were aligned with Penner and Bob, and the fact that keeping you would have just risked pissing off the rest of my alliance. I won't lie, though. Had you had a few more numbers on your side, I would have considered flopping my vote.
I don't know if this is as detailed as you wanted, but I'm running on no sleep, so I apologize. Best of luck with your decision, Chicken.
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Post by Sherea Lloyd on May 21, 2014 23:31:37 GMT -5
I would also like to point out that LJ's points 4 and 5 were, like, mistakes so how do they count as moves? And I also would like for it to be known that I called LJs bluff at Round 2, bot no one would listen to me.
Sorry I tried to keep my mouth shut but LJ called me out so I'm calling him out.
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Post by mikayla on May 22, 2014 0:33:24 GMT -5
Sure thing!
I was put at a pretty severe disadvantage from the beginning, when Rob picked me ninth. Despite the fact that I had been a great performer in the first challenge, I wound up getting picked next-to-last. Not only did that mean that I could pretty much assume from the get-go that I wasn't in anybody's majority plans (the assumption there being that Rob had picked people he knew he could work with, and I pretty obviously wasn't one of them), and that I also wasn't going to have access to any of the special rewards that the Hidden Monster could provide. Couple that with the fact that literally every single person I had spoken to and made bonds with at that point was on Sibiu, and I was basically in a deathtrap position. Nobody knew me, nobody had talked to me, and nobody needed or wanted to work with me.
So, I sent out a few PMs to get people talking to me, but there really wasn't much that I could do to get the conversation flowing. I don't know if people just weren't online at the same times I was, or what, but I spent a lot of hours on AIM and could never seem to get ahold of anybody. I think I had a few conversations with LJ, and a few talks with Phillip (who didn't know I was me yet), and that was it.
Eventually, I caved and let Phil know my true identity. It wasn't in my original plan for the game, but I ultimately didn't wind up having a better option in mind. He let me in on the fact that he had already made the new Stealth R Us alliance, and I wasn't a part of it. He told me he'd do what he could to keep the target off me, and in exchange I would let him know if he was going to be a target, but that was basically as far as his protection was going to extend.
Fast forward to our first tribal council, where Rob goes after Phillip. I was definitely part of that plan, and I was supposed to be the fifth vote to send Phillip home. I absolutely could have done it, but at that point I knew that Rob had no intention of working with me except as a distant fifth, and I figured I could get a lot more leverage from Phil, especially if he knew that I singlehandedly saved his ass. Rob went home, and I was in a better position.
Another big move was the round that Brice went home. Morgan can pooh-pooh my involvement all she likes, but the fact of the matter is that I did a tremendous amount of work to save my ass that round. We knew that Allie had the idol and that she could potentially play it and send me home if Morgan cast votes at me, and I wasn't willing to go out early because of a stupid catfight. I talked Brice into voting Sherea instead of me, and also played up on Yve's dislike for Morgan to get her to go against Brice. I gave several ideas to the tribe during a group chat, so that we could convince Yve to stick with us and not listen if Morgan came to her targeting me. The votes against Brice and Sherea were already locked in hours before Morgan announced her decision not to go after me. At that point Morgan thought we were voting for Yve, and asked if we could do Brice instead. I pretended that I would go ask the tribe to change it, so that Morgan could think that she was in control.
I also helped out with the Yve boot, convincing her that she was absolutely safe so that we could ditch Allie's idol and get ourselves into a majority position come the merge.
After the merge, there wasn't a whole lot of strategizing to be done. For the most part, we were primarily concerned with staying the course, picking off the big threats in Bob and Allie and Penner. The auction screwed me over again, where I won the glorious prize of being able to see how one person voted after tribal council was over. I was once again powerless in a group of powerful people. Going into the double tribal council round, I tried my best to win immunity, but ultimately wasn't able to compensate for LJ's limitless amounts of free time. Thanks to my seemingly-flawless loyalty to him, Phillip went after Malcolm and burned a nullifier to make sure he went home. I tried to get LJ and Malcolm to go after Phillip this round, but no dice. They were both more concerned with targeting Phil's minions than going after the big man.
At the final six, I would have had the double immunity, no question. But, alas, my internet crapped out and I couldn't get my 95th rung in on time using my phone. So I had to settle for a lesser score and take my chances with the vote. I knew that Jeremiah was a done deal, and Phillip passed me his double vote to ensure that he went home.
At the final five, I saw my chance to finally take Phil out like I'd been planning to all game. Morgan went to him and point-blank asked if she was going to be the target. This unbelievably obvious idol ploy freaked Phillip out big time, and he immediately ran to me and asked me to vote for Sherea with him. I, knowing full well what Morgan was about to do, told him there was no point in doing that, because even if Sherea went home, we'd get into a tie at the final four anyway, and he would go home due to previous votes. Phil acquiesced, and I sat back and proudly watched him get idoled out. I'd like to stress here that that move could not have happened without me. If we had voted for Sherea, she would have almost certainly gone home thanks to LJ's self vote, and Phil would have made the final four. I forced the vote for Morgan, and that's what got him sent home.
So, for as much guff as I'm getting for being Phil's pawn here, I'm the one responsible for taking him out. Phil may have played everybody, but only one person here can say that they played Phil.
That was absolutely the truth. Lying to you at that point wouldn't make any sense, and would be a pretty dickish move to boot.
I knew that LJ wasn't entirely trustworthy, and I had gotten a lot of shady vibes from the other players in Napaco, so I was perfectly willing to flip if the numbers were there - and based on what I was hearing from Penner and Bob, it seemed like they were. I was planning on breaking up Napaco and taking out Phillip fairly early on, but what I didn't account for was that people like Malcolm and Jeremiah (and to a lesser degree LJ) would wind up pledging their undying loyalty to him even when it made no goshdarn strategic sense for them to do so. I did the best I could to try and let people know that I was willing to go against Phillip if and when the tides turned that way, but nobody seemed to ever be willing to make that stand and just kept picking off Sibiu and giving Phil more numbers. If I'd tried to jump ship at that point it would have been a pretty pointless sacrifice. I knew that Phil would keep me around over his other minions, so I decided to play along, let him pick off Malcolm and Jeremiah, and then turn the tables on him at the last minute.
So, yes. I was absolutely will to flip on my alliance come the merge, I just ultimately wasn't able to; at least, not without completely jeopardizing my position.
To be honest, Chicken, I don't recall whether I was around much that day or not. I absolutely did try and convince Phil to keep you, because I liked you a lot and I figured that you'd be an invaluable ally if and when I decided to screw Napaco over. Unfortunately, you were done in by a couple of factors. Firstly, I had just started a highly physical ten-hour-a-day job, and was still working part time on top of that. Between work and exhaustion I simply wasn't able to be fully there that round and come to bat for you. Secondly, the major reason that you became a target in the first place was that Morgan was insistent that Penner needed to go, and Phillip was paranoid that if he gave Morgan what she wanted, she'd use you to go against him. So you could theoretically have talked your way out of it, had you known what the factors were and what arguments to use to save yourself, and given the opportunity I would gladly have helped you do it.
So in theory it wasn't an impossible situation, but in practice it kind of was.
Thanks for your questions, Chicken! Have fun at the music festival!
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Post by LJ McKanas on May 22, 2014 1:54:12 GMT -5
I would also like to point out that LJ's points 4 and 5 were, like, mistakes so how do they count as moves? And I also would like for it to be known that I called LJs bluff at Round 2, bot no one would listen to me.
Sorry I tried to keep my mouth shut but LJ called me out so I'm calling him out. Not every move in this game works out for you. The point is you have to try and make them every round so that you have a backup. I know you wouldn't understand this since you made 0 MOVES in the game. In round 2 I only had an alliance with you, Malcolm and Jeremiah so if you knew about my other alliances you were a paranoid mess because they didn't existed yet (Bob, Penner, Allie you all know this because you know when I made the alliances with you guys). You don't have to hyperbolise everything to try to win votes. It is even more sad that you don't own to your UTR, no-moves, no-challenges- no-backspine game and try to make something of yourself you weren't. BTW, The use of the idol went solely on the strength of Malcolm's power to do something against me. Had you come over and say something to me about it (which OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T) while Malcolm stayed quiet I would have just laughed at how pathetic your attempt was.  |
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Post by LJ McKanas on May 22, 2014 2:00:29 GMT -5
BTW, I would like all of the jurors to notice how I never addressed Sherea in my final plea (never actually talked to her after using my idol) to stay over Morgan and yet I had the power to make her keep me over someone that addressed her and was her friend from the beginning. This actually makes me a good player because I manoeuvred my way into the final without even taking into account a vote that was lost in the wilderness.
Is that even possible?
Thanks again.
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Post by Sherea Lloyd on May 22, 2014 9:36:42 GMT -5
I would also like to point out that LJ's points 4 and 5 were, like, mistakes so how do they count as moves? And I also would like for it to be known that I called LJs bluff at Round 2, bot no one would listen to me.
Sorry I tried to keep my mouth shut but LJ called me out so I'm calling him out. Not every move in this game works out for you. The point is you have to try and make them every round so that you have a backup. I know you wouldn't understand this since you made 0 MOVES in the game. In round 2 I only had an alliance with you, Malcolm and Jeremiah so if you knew about my other alliances you were a paranoid mess because they didn't existed yet (Bob, Penner, Allie you all know this because you know when I made the alliances with you guys). You don't have to hyperbolise everything to try to win votes. It is even more sad that you don't own to your UTR, no-moves, no-challenges- no-backspine game and try to make something of yourself you weren't. BTW, The use of the idol went solely on the strength of Malcolm's power to do something against me. Had you come over and say something to me about it (which OF COURSE YOU DIDN'T) while Malcolm stayed quiet I would have just laughed at how pathetic your attempt was. You're contradicting yourself here. In your answer to Chicken's question you said you made several alliances in Round 2 and now you're saying you didn't. Please get your answers straight so the jury can make an accurate decision. You clearly were unaware of what was going on in this game since you were too busy scrambling every round. Making it to the Finals has truly made you an egotistical asshole, hasn't it LJ?[/quote] |
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Post by LJ McKanas on May 22, 2014 11:19:12 GMT -5
I said at around round 2. Which you of course, a completely gullible player just used to talk about your improbable game play. I said around round 2 but I will straighten up my facts for Chicken because I did made a lot of moves and probably got things messed up.
Malcolm-Jeremiah-Sherea happened at around round 2, round 3 when Edna and Andrea left.
Allie happened when I gave her the idol at around round 4. (Despite we talking and having a great relationship since day 1)
Bob and Penner happened at around round 5 or 6 when they got the idol information and shared it with me.
That means Sherea doesn't know where the game was really at. She actually had to read my moves to try to make a point of her own, failing miserable at the try.
I'm not being an egotistical asshole. I'm fighting to win and I'm trying to leave no chance for you to win because I believe it would be a joke to all of us and you don't deserve it.
Plus, I lost all respect for you a long time ago and I'm actually very pissed that someone a bit more deserving is not standing besides me and Mikayla.
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